Updated: 6:12 AM EDT April 23, 2021. SANDUSKY, Ohio — When Cedar Point opens its gates for the 2021 season next month, a piece of park history has returned to greet guests. It's not an old ride ...Aug 11, 2022 · Aug 1, 2023. Cedar Point is the industry leader in roller coaster innovation, having introduced some of the tallest and fastest rides on the planet. Cedar Point will once again redefine roller coaster innovation in 2024 with the debut of Top Thrill 2, the world’s tallest and fastest triple-launch strata roller coaster. 5. Mysterious Folklore of Rougarou at Cedar Point. As if a terrifying roller coaster isn’t bad enough. The Rougarou name comes from a legendary creature in French folklore comparable to the werewolf legends. Rougarou Roller Coaster. This creature is often described as having the head of a wolf and a human body.Jul 5, 2021 · Lake a ravenous bird in combat, you’ll go through five inversions at a constant speed of nearly 60 mph, doing dizzying spins and quick turns across its 3,790 feet of track. Between the noise and its compact layout, it’s the most intense coaster in the park that lasts longer than 20 seconds. #4. Millennium Force. Sep 24, 2022 · Speculation has been rampant since Cedar Point announced in early September via Twitter that Top Thrill Dragster would be retired “as you know it.”. The ride had been idle for a full year ... Speculation has been rampant since Cedar Point announced in early September via Twitter that Top Thrill Dragster would be retired “as you know it.”. The ride had been idle for a full year ...If you plan to visit multiple Cedar Fair parks and want Gold or Prestige Pass perks, the is the ideal choice. This premium add-on grants access to all Cedar Fair parks with either a Gold or Prestige Pass. Additionally, your Gold and Prestige benefits extend to other parks. The All Park Passport** add-on is with a 2024 Gold Pass or. Sep 4, 2023 · Cedar Point had been hit by inclement weather and subsequently suffered some flooding in the track infield area. Having said that according to the latest Top Thrill 2 construction update posted to YouTube by Lake Erie Lifestyles on August 13, we can see that work continues to progress on the launch track where workers are currently in the ... Here’s a look back at the press release from Cedar Point when the park first announced the Wicked Twister roller coaster in November of 2001: Named Wicked Twister, the 215-foot-tall, 72-mph ...Cedar Point had been hit by inclement weather and subsequently suffered some flooding in the track infield area. Having said that according to the latest Top Thrill 2 construction update posted to YouTube by Lake Erie Lifestyles on August 13, we can see that work continues to progress on the launch track where workers are currently in the ...With Cedar Point removing more track from Top Thrill Dragster, it's evident that a Swing Launch & Vertical Spike could really become a reality after all... I...News & Rumours. Chat about the latest amusement park news in here. Grind the rumour mill here if you've heard some gossip or know something that we don't know. 1. 2.Oct 14, 2004 · News: Cedar Point’s HalloWeekends returns next week Started by: Walt | Views: 362 | Replies: 3 | Last: by Hudson News: Happy Friar’s Fresh-Cut Fries Fest returns to Cedar Point level 1. · 8 mo. ago Home park: Cedar Point, worked Islands of Adventure. In 2023 I’m betting Cedar Point will get one. 28. level 2. · 8 mo. ago Maverick. It's a meme every year to predict that CP will get a coaster, but I would be shocked if CP goes over 5 years without a new coaster. Last coaster was Vengeance in 2018.Will Cedar Point's Top Thrill Dragster ever open again? Well, the park just gave us the hint we've all been wanting... Which is huge! I share my updated pred...A bit of rational for this: For the time Matt Ouimet has been CEO of Cedar Fair (since January 2012), Cedar Point has added a coaster at least every 2 years. In 2013 they added GateKeeper, 2014 they added Rougarou (I’m counting this as an addition even though it was just a conversion), 2016 they added Valravn, and 2018 they added Steel Vengeance.Before you know cedar point has 374 rollercoasters and is started to expand into what use to be lake Michigan. •. Totally. • 2 yr. ago. I thought they already had a SkyCoaster. Senate_Palpatine • 2 yr. ago. I think they already have one unironically. Magic mountain's up to 20 coasters now. I remember the rumors CP was going to do 20 for 2020. I know quantity isn't everything, but if CP isn't updating, the parks with shiny new stuff start to look more attractive to those who can pick and choose. Or maybe some of us are way off and the majority actually prefer new resort stuff to new coasters.Updates About Cedar Point's Top Thrill Dragster. @ttdupdatescp. Updating YOU about changes to Cedar Point's Top Thrill Dragster coaster. Not affiliated with the park, they probably REALLY hate us.I feel like the pavilion has been pretty much confirmed by the park, and weve seen plans and permits for a while. There is still some space for a flat ride or two in the area, but the park president has said there is NOT going to be a new coaster for next year as the focus for this project is entirely on improving the overall guest experience.How will Cedar Point look in 5 years from now? How will the Point follow up Steel Vengeance? Here are my predictions for what type of roller coasters, thrill...Cedar Point’s Express Hotel features the essentials and offers a convenient option with connecting rooms for families. Located at the entrance to the Cedar Point Causeway. Castaway Bay is newly renovated and is an entire resort designed for family fun. With a 38,000 square foot indoor waterpark, countless indoor adventures and an action ...Cedar Point had been hit by inclement weather and subsequently suffered some flooding in the track infield area. Having said that according to the latest Top Thrill 2 construction update posted to YouTube by Lake Erie Lifestyles on August 13, we can see that work continues to progress on the launch track where workers are currently in the ...Aug 11, 2022 · Aug 1, 2023. Cedar Point is the industry leader in roller coaster innovation, having introduced some of the tallest and fastest rides on the planet. Cedar Point will once again redefine roller coaster innovation in 2024 with the debut of Top Thrill 2, the world’s tallest and fastest triple-launch strata roller coaster. Jan 5, 2022 · Knott's Berry Farm is the most visited amusement park in the Cedar Fair chain and one of the best parks in southern California. It is also due for a new roller coaster. Rumors constantly spiral of a new coaster for the park, and 2023 could easily be the year, especially with growing rumors, and even leaked plans for a giga coaster being built ... Cedar Point's future. In its announcement on social media Monday morning, Cedar Point said the ride "as you know it is being retired." The park said an announcement will be made later of a new and "reimagined" ride experience. While the Top Thrill will be gone at the start of the 2023 season and its apparent replacement remains in limbo, there ...5. Mysterious Folklore of Rougarou at Cedar Point. As if a terrifying roller coaster isn’t bad enough. The Rougarou name comes from a legendary creature in French folklore comparable to the werewolf legends. Rougarou Roller Coaster. This creature is often described as having the head of a wolf and a human body.PointBuzz is a Cedar Point fan site providing news and features from the Sandusky, OH amusement park, plus a thriving community for the park's biggest fans.May 31, 2022 · Here’s a look back at the press release from Cedar Point when the park first announced the Wicked Twister roller coaster in November of 2001: Named Wicked Twister, the 215-foot-tall, 72-mph ... May 14, 2021 · Cedar Point is back for the 2021 season with the new Snake River Expedition boat ride and changes to its COVID-19 safety protocols. ... Here’s what park officials are saying about the rumors. Shawn Meyer. Saturday, April 24, 2021 8:29 PM. I know this topic is 20 years old, but I didn't want to start a new thread about rumors, when we have one in storage. My friend heard a rumor that my favorite ride at Cedar Point might be going to another Cedar Fair park after this season.Sep 6, 2022 · Cedar Point's future. In its announcement on social media Monday morning, Cedar Point said the ride "as you know it is being retired." The park said an announcement will be made later of a new and "reimagined" ride experience. While the Top Thrill will be gone at the start of the 2023 season and its apparent replacement remains in limbo, there ... Sep 16, 2022 · August 6 - Top Thrill Dragster at Cedar Point has been closed since August 2021 after an incident where a guest waiting in line was struck by a metal object that fell from the roller coaster. Screamscape has now reported a rumor that Cedar Point is getting ready to start work on the site of the coaster. level 1. · 8 mo. ago Home park: Cedar Point, worked Islands of Adventure. In 2023 I’m betting Cedar Point will get one. 28. level 2. · 8 mo. ago Maverick. It's a meme every year to predict that CP will get a coaster, but I would be shocked if CP goes over 5 years without a new coaster. Last coaster was Vengeance in 2018. Temporary removal (and what the heck, reweld/refurbished while it's off)for equipment access for Dragster. Thats gonna be so cool. Gonna connect ttd and iron dragon. Suspended launch. It's not being redesigned...quit spreading rumors.See Cedar Point’s thrill rides with the amusement park’s web cam live stream! Webcam Live Stream Video at Cedar Point Questions or concerns about the accessibility of our website or need any assistance accessing any of the information you would expect to find on our site, please contact us at (419) 627-2350. Cedar Point is where moments, memories and connections are made. These connections last for generations and are built on tradition – traditions that began more than 150 years ago. If you’re looking for things to do near Cleveland, Cedar Point, located in Sandusky, Ohio, is the must-do destination. It's home to 70 amazing rides, from the ... #cedarpoint #themepark #rollercoaster In this video, we're checking out the Top Thrill Dragster 2024 concept POV! This ride will be the latest and greatest ...Is roller coaster track about to arrive for a NEW 2023 Cedar Point Roller Coaster? Just as of a few days ago, Cedar Point fenced off an area that is located ...This is the place to discuss 2024 news, rumors, and predictions for all Cedar Fair parks. Parks: California's Great America: Canada's Wonderland: Carowinds: Cedar Point: Dorney Park: Kings Dominion: Kings Island: Knott's Berry Farm: Michigan's Adventure: Valleyfair: Worlds of Fun: Water Parks: Cedar Point Shores: Knott's Soak City:Nov 20, 2001 · Tuesday, November 20, 2001 11:43 AM. Well following the tradition of most of the Cedar Point coasters getting crazy rumors attached to them (Magnum is sinking, Millennium Force going 116 mph) what do you think Wicked Twister is going to get. I think that, when people see the towers swaying back and forth, they will say, "Yeah those towers are ... Cedar Point’s Express Hotel features the essentials and offers a convenient option with connecting rooms for families. Located at the entrance to the Cedar Point Causeway. Castaway Bay is newly renovated and is an entire resort designed for family fun. With a 38,000 square foot indoor waterpark, countless indoor adventures and an action ...SANDUSKY, Ohio — More than a year after a woman was struck by a piece of metal that dislodged from the Top Thrill Dragster at Cedar Point, the amusement park announced the popular ride will ...See Cedar Point’s thrill rides with the amusement park’s web cam live stream! Webcam Live Stream Video at Cedar Point Questions or concerns about the accessibility of our website or need any assistance accessing any of the information you would expect to find on our site, please contact us at (419) 627-2350.With the addition of Wicked Twister, Cedar Point will be the only amusement park in the world to stake claim to having three roller coasters above 200 feet tall: the 205-foot-tall Magnum XL-200 ...On Thursday, Cedar Point did just that, announcing its plans for 2023. Highlights from the Sandusky-based amusement park's announcement include: A new roller coaster called "The Wild Mouse," which ...After the COVID-19 pandemic limited Cedar Fair’s investments in new rides in recent years, the amusement park chain is set to announce new coasters and other additions on Thursday, Aug. 10. During the company’s second quarter earnings call, Cedar Fair CEO Richard Zimmerman said 75 percent of the debt incurred by Cedar Fair during the ...Aug 19, 2022 · CLEVELAND, Ohio (WOIO) - Cedar Point shared the first images that show the tracks of the Wild Mouse roller coaster, the park’s newest ride scheduled to open in 2023. The orange and yellow ... Friday, September 16, 2022 - 07:32 UPDATE September 16 - Since Cedar Point's official announcement last week which stated that the Top Thrill Dragster that we see today will be retired and they are "hard at work, creating a new and reimagined ride experience.", rumors have been circulating as to what we are likely to see.Jun 20, 2022 · Nov 12, 2021. Cedar Point is officially removing their Antique Cars attraction to make room for a new new chef-inspired signature restaurant in Frontier Town. The family-friendly attraction, which debuted in 1969, featured small-scale Model T-type cars on a winding track through Frontier Town. Will Cedar Point's Top Thrill Dragster ever open again? Well, the park just gave us the hint we've all been wanting... Which is huge! I share my updated pred... Well, Cedar Point Nation has dug up some blueprints filed by the park for a project that explains why they needed to get rid of it. Take a look at this: This is the blueprint for a two-story pavilion with a restaurant on each floor and an outdoor patio.According to a permit filed on April 6, it will be known as the Grand Pavilion and is slated ...After the COVID-19 pandemic limited Cedar Fair’s investments in new rides in recent years, the amusement park chain is set to announce new coasters and other additions on Thursday, Aug. 10. During the company’s second quarter earnings call, Cedar Fair CEO Richard Zimmerman said 75 percent of the debt incurred by Cedar Fair during the ...SeaWorld Entertainment Inc. has offered to buy amusement park owner Cedar Fair for around $3.4 billion, people with knowledge of the matter said. SeaWorld made a bid of about $60 per unit in cash ...Well, in the latest video update from Lake Erie Lifestyles it has now been confirmed from an official page on the Zamperla website that they are indeed working with Cedar Point on the Top Thrill Dragster reimagining. The page read, "Zamperla partners with Cedar Point on the world's tallest and fastest triple launch roller coaster."PointBuzz is a Cedar Point fan site providing news and features from the Sandusky, OH amusement park, plus a thriving community for the park's biggest fans. Is Cedar Point planning on opening a NEW roller coaster in 2023? Cedar Point has to build a new coaster on the Wicked Twister plot of land, right? Thanks to ...Well, in the latest video update from Lake Erie Lifestyles it has now been confirmed from an official page on the Zamperla website that they are indeed working with Cedar Point on the Top Thrill Dragster reimagining. The page read, "Zamperla partners with Cedar Point on the world's tallest and fastest triple launch roller coaster."— Cedar Point (@cedarpoint) January 9, 2023. The video does focus on the coaster’s highest point, called the “top hat,” which may serve to dispel rumors that the ride’s layout would be changed to become a shuttle coaster rather than a complete circuit.Cedar Point’s Express Hotel features the essentials and offers a convenient option with connecting rooms for families. Located at the entrance to the Cedar Point Causeway. Castaway Bay is newly renovated and is an entire resort designed for family fun. With a 38,000 square foot indoor waterpark, countless indoor adventures and an action ...Cedar Point's newest Wild Mouse coaster. Work is progressing on the park's newest coaster − the new Wild Mouse roller coaster. All the pieces and parts of the new coaster that will feature seven ...Cedar Point's future. In its announcement on social media Monday morning, Cedar Point said the ride "as you know it is being retired." The park said an announcement will be made later of a new and "reimagined" ride experience. While the Top Thrill will be gone at the start of the 2023 season and its apparent replacement remains in limbo, there ...Here’s a look back at the press release from Cedar Point when the park first announced the Wicked Twister roller coaster in November of 2001: Named Wicked Twister, the 215-foot-tall, 72-mph ...Is Cedar Point planning on TEARING DOWN Top Thrill Dragsters station? Is Intamin still involved? And a hint at a future video! A lot has happened over at the...In the official announcement on August 1, we found out the new name for the iconic Top Thrill Dragster and long awaited details regarding the layout for this highly anticipated reimagining coming to Cedar Point in 2024. Top Thrill 2 was confirmed as being the world's tallest and fastest triple-launch coaster with a 420ft rear spike.Temporary removal (and what the heck, reweld/refurbished while it's off)for equipment access for Dragster. Thats gonna be so cool. Gonna connect ttd and iron dragon. Suspended launch. It's not being redesigned...quit spreading rumors.Cedar Point's future. In its announcement on social media Monday morning, Cedar Point said the ride "as you know it is being retired." The park said an announcement will be made later of a new and "reimagined" ride experience. While the Top Thrill will be gone at the start of the 2023 season and its apparent replacement remains in limbo, there ...Decision comes as state investigation of serious accident finds no violations on part of Cedar PointAug 3, 2022 · After the COVID-19 pandemic limited Cedar Fair’s investments in new rides in recent years, the amusement park chain is set to announce new coasters and other additions on Thursday, Aug. 10. During the company’s second quarter earnings call, Cedar Fair CEO Richard Zimmerman said 75 percent of the debt incurred by Cedar Fair during the ... Magic mountain's up to 20 coasters now. I remember the rumors CP was going to do 20 for 2020. I know quantity isn't everything, but if CP isn't updating, the parks with shiny new stuff start to look more attractive to those who can pick and choose. Or maybe some of us are way off and the majority actually prefer new resort stuff to new coasters.The 2023 annular eclipse city page for Cedar Point. Eclipse2024.org is pleased to offer you a complete set of information for the annular eclipse of October 14, 2023! Visit our 2023 annular eclipse city page for Cedar Point to learn more about that eclipse.2023 Cedar Point Winter Chill Out News. After an abnormally warm winter, today guests were greeted at the gates of Cedar Point with a snow kissed park for the annual Winter Chill Out event. The event is one of the parks largest annual charity events, raising $150,000+ for A Kid Again. This year Cedar Point opted to expand Winter Chill Out and ...Aug 3, 2022 · After the COVID-19 pandemic limited Cedar Fair’s investments in new rides in recent years, the amusement park chain is set to announce new coasters and other additions on Thursday, Aug. 10. During the company’s second quarter earnings call, Cedar Fair CEO Richard Zimmerman said 75 percent of the debt incurred by Cedar Fair during the ... Nov 4, 2021 · The Cedar Point skyline will never look the same as the park prepares to dismantle the Wicked Twister roller coaster. “The train is already off and crews are disconnecting everything,” Cedar ... Although Cedar Point has never said it plans to ditch the ride, speculation spiked again in recent days after a trio of Twitter posts brought fresh attention to the rumors (scroll down for Cedar ...Enjoy unlimited visits & free parking in 2023 & 2024 including HalloWeekends! Join us for our 2023 season and see all that's new, including The Boardwalk, where you can take a ride on the new Wild Mouse spinning roller coaster or enjoy breathtaking views from Cedar Point Grand Pavilion! Operating dates and times subject to change without notice. Speculation has been rampant since Cedar Point announced in early September via Twitter that Top Thrill Dragster would be retired “as you know it.”. The ride had been idle for a full year ...Dec 21, 2021 · How will Cedar Point look in 5 years from now? How will the Point follow up Steel Vengeance? Here are my predictions for what type of roller coasters, thrill... Jun 12, 2022 · Is Cedar Point planning on opening a NEW roller coaster in 2023? Cedar Point has to build a new coaster on the Wicked Twister plot of land, right? Thanks to ... Decision comes as state investigation of serious accident finds no violations on part of Cedar PointAug 3, 2022 · After the COVID-19 pandemic limited Cedar Fair’s investments in new rides in recent years, the amusement park chain is set to announce new coasters and other additions on Thursday, Aug. 10. During the company’s second quarter earnings call, Cedar Fair CEO Richard Zimmerman said 75 percent of the debt incurred by Cedar Fair during the ... Updated: 6:12 AM EDT April 23, 2021. SANDUSKY, Ohio — When Cedar Point opens its gates for the 2021 season next month, a piece of park history has returned to greet guests. It's not an old ride ...May 6, 2022 · Ride on! Cedar Point is back as the 2022 season kicks off Saturday, May 7. Although there isn't a new ride opening this year, guests can still expect to find multiple changes throughout the ... Jul 31, 2023 · Well, in the latest video update from Lake Erie Lifestyles it has now been confirmed from an official page on the Zamperla website that they are indeed working with Cedar Point on the Top Thrill Dragster reimagining. The page read, "Zamperla partners with Cedar Point on the world's tallest and fastest triple launch roller coaster." Sep 23, 2022 · Many park observers believe that Cedar Point is replacing Top Thrill’s complicated, maintenance-prone launch system with a simpler, magnetic-based system. Other possible changes include a new ... Enjoy unlimited visits & free parking in 2023 & 2024 including HalloWeekends! Join us for our 2023 season and see all that's new, including The Boardwalk, where you can take a ride on the new Wild Mouse spinning roller coaster or enjoy breathtaking views from Cedar Point Grand Pavilion! Operating dates and times subject to change without notice. SeaWorld has offered to buy the publicly-traded partnership company for around $3.4 billion, about $60 per unit in cash, according to a report from Bloomberg.. The parent company to Cedar Point ...Before you know cedar point has 374 rollercoasters and is started to expand into what use to be lake Michigan. •. Totally. • 2 yr. ago. I thought they already had a SkyCoaster. Senate_Palpatine • 2 yr. ago. I think they already have one unironically.
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This subreddit is for anything and everything relating to the best Amusement Park in the world - Cedar Point in Sandusky, Ohio! Park Information. Cedar Point is located on a Peninsula off of Sandusky, Ohio. The park has 17 rollercoasters, and a total of 72 rides. Cedar Point's Website. Cedar Point's TwitterCedar Point announced the highlights for its spooky, seven-week-long fall festival, which runs on Thursday nights, Fridays, Saturdays and Sundays from Sept. 14 to Oct. 29.Oct 14, 2004 · News: Cedar Point’s HalloWeekends returns next week Started by: Walt | Views: 362 | Replies: 3 | Last: by Hudson News: Happy Friar’s Fresh-Cut Fries Fest returns to Cedar Point Apr 29, 2021 · 4 5 6 Kevinj Thursday, April 29, 2021 10:57 AM CEDAR POINT: Here is Mantis! ENTHUSIASTS: BOOOOO! MAKE IT FLOORLESS! IT'S SO EASY! CEDAR POINT: No, it's not that easy. ENTHUSIASTS: CEDAR POINT: Fine. There. ENTHUSIASTS: BOOOO!!!! THE RESTRAINTS AREN'T RIGHT@!$#@! CEDAR POINT: The restraints are fine for what it is. ENTHUSIASTS: CEDAR POINT: 2) Intamin built Red Force which is an operating proof-of-concept. 3) Cedar Fair parks are maintaining many Intamin rides at several of their parks. 4) Intamin track likely needs to use Intamin trains. 5) The launch and brake run sections were all that went out so far and it was turned around in a short time period.Aug 30, 2023 · Cedar Point had been hit by inclement weather and subsequently suffered some flooding in the track infield area. Having said that according to the latest Top Thrill 2 construction update posted to YouTube by Lake Erie Lifestyles on August 13, we can see that work continues to progress on the launch track where workers are currently in the ... Aug 11, 2022 · Two MAJOR clues from the Cedar Point 2023 announcement regarding the future of the park! We also have more light on the Top Thrill Dragster situation and a h... Ride on! Cedar Point is back as the 2022 season kicks off Saturday, May 7. Although there isn't a new ride opening this year, guests can still expect to find multiple changes throughout the ...level 1. · 8 mo. ago Home park: Cedar Point, worked Islands of Adventure. In 2023 I’m betting Cedar Point will get one. 28. level 2. · 8 mo. ago Maverick. It's a meme every year to predict that CP will get a coaster, but I would be shocked if CP goes over 5 years without a new coaster. Last coaster was Vengeance in 2018. Monday, August 28, 2023 - 00:23 In the official announcement on August 1, we found out the new name for the iconic Top Thrill Dragster and long awaited details regarding the layout for this highly anticipated reimagining coming to Cedar Point in 2024.Nov 10, 2022 · Cedar Point's newest Wild Mouse coaster. Work is progressing on the park's newest coaster − the new Wild Mouse roller coaster. All the pieces and parts of the new coaster that will feature seven ... May 6, 2022 · Ride on! Cedar Point is back as the 2022 season kicks off Saturday, May 7. Although there isn't a new ride opening this year, guests can still expect to find multiple changes throughout the ... Jan 10, 2023 · This is the place to discuss 2024 news, rumors, and predictions for all Cedar Fair parks. Parks: California's Great America: Canada's Wonderland: Carowinds: Cedar Point: Dorney Park: Kings Dominion: Kings Island: Knott's Berry Farm: Michigan's Adventure: Valleyfair: Worlds of Fun: Water Parks: Cedar Point Shores: Knott's Soak City: Jun 12, 2022 · Is Cedar Point planning on opening a NEW roller coaster in 2023? Cedar Point has to build a new coaster on the Wicked Twister plot of land, right? Thanks to ... Jan 9, 2023 · — Cedar Point (@cedarpoint) January 9, 2023. The video does focus on the coaster’s highest point, called the “top hat,” which may serve to dispel rumors that the ride’s layout would be changed to become a shuttle coaster rather than a complete circuit. Cedar Point sits on 364 acres full of rides & roller coasters, but are they planning their LARGEST Expansion Ever? I share with you just how Cedar Point can ... Updates About Cedar Point's Top Thrill Dragster. @ttdupdatescp. Updating YOU about changes to Cedar Point's Top Thrill Dragster coaster. Not affiliated with the park, they probably REALLY hate us..